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Posted by: Long Knives 88
« on: January 08, 2016, 12:37:45 am »

O Ρένενκαμπφ πάντως, αν και δεν έλεγε πολλά σαν κομαντάντε, είχε κι αυτός γαμάτο μουστάκι




μάταια προσπαθεί να τον μιμηθεί ο Κοντονής
Posted by: Long Knives 88
« on: January 07, 2016, 11:40:15 pm »

Tannenberg was an inside job, German fuel can't melt Russian steel. :D :D :D
βασικά κοίτα πώς έγινε η φάση στο Τάνενμπεργκ.

Μπουκάρουν οι Ρώσοι στην Αν. Πρωσία και πάει μπροστά η Β' στρατιά του Σαμσόνοφ κι από πίσω έρχεται η Α' στρατιά του Ρένενκαμπφ, και τη γενική διοίκηση την έχει ο Ρένενκαμπφ. Στις 27/8 φτιάχνουν ο Χίντενμπουργκ με τον Λούντεντορφ αμυντική λαβίδα και κάνουν πως υποχωρούν. Παρασύρεται ο Σαμσόνοφ και τους ακολουθεί μέχρι το Τάνενμπεργκ. Στις 28/8 αντεπιτίθεται ο Χίντενμπουργκ από τις πλευρές στη στρατιά του Σαμσόνοφ. Κανονικά εκεί έπρεπε να επέμβει ο Ρένενκαμπφ για να σώσει τη δεξιά πλευρά του Σαμσόνοφ και να μην κυκλωθεί. Αλλά ο Ρένενκαμπφ δεν κάνει τίποτα και κάθεται στα αυγά του. Έτσι ο Σαμσόνοφ κυκλώνεται και η Β' στρατιά καταστρέφεται ολοκληρωτικά.

Αν είχε επιτεθεί ο Ρένενκαμπφ την κρίσιμη στιγμή, θα είχε σώσει την Β' στρατιά από την κύκλωση και ο Χίντενμπουργκ θα υποχωρούσε. Αλλά Γερμανός να σώσει Ρώσους από Γερμανούς δε γίνεται.
Posted by: Pepe the Frog
« on: January 07, 2016, 11:15:28 pm »

τους Γερμανούς έτσι κι αλλιώς τους συμπαθούσε ο Λένιν. Τους αγγλογάλλους δε γούσταρε.

Το Τάνενμπεργκ παίζει να ήταν και μιλημένο, αφού οι Ρώσοι είχαν γερμανό διοικητή που λέγεται ότι τα τσέπωσε για να μην κάνει κίνηση.
Tannenberg was an inside job, German fuel can't melt Russian steel. :D :D :D
Posted by: mistermax
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:46:30 pm »

Και δεν του έχουμε κάνει ακόμα προτομή στο Webwar;

Θα μπορουσαμε να ανοίξουμε νεα ενότητα στο γουεμπγορ "αγαλματα/προτομες/αγιογραφίες" οπου ο καθενας θα μπορουσε να ανεβάζει τον αγαπημένο του αιμοσταγή δικτατορα
Posted by: Long Knives 88
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:32:30 pm »

Δεν διάβασα το κείμενο αλλά ο Λένιν είχε και έναν πολύ καλό λόγο να γουστάρει τους Γερμανούς του Α' ΠΠ γιατί πολύ απλά αυτοί τον αμόλησαν στην Ρωσία και τον στήριξαν για να κάνει την επανάσταση έτσι ώστε η Γερμανία να σιγουρέψει την Ανατολή και να αφοσιωθεί στο δυτικό μέτωπο παρότι έτσι κι αλλιώς είχε πάει γαμιώντας τους Ρώσους στο Τάνενμπεργκ.
τους Γερμανούς έτσι κι αλλιώς τους συμπαθούσε ο Λένιν. Τους αγγλογάλλους δε γούσταρε.

Το Τάνενμπεργκ παίζει να ήταν και μιλημένο, αφού οι Ρώσοι είχαν γερμανό διοικητή που λέγεται ότι τα τσέπωσε για να μην κάνει κίνηση.
Posted by: Pepe the Frog
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:22:09 pm »

Δεν διάβασα το κείμενο αλλά ο Λένιν είχε και έναν πολύ καλό λόγο να γουστάρει τους Γερμανούς του Α' ΠΠ γιατί πολύ απλά αυτοί τον αμόλησαν στην Ρωσία και τον στήριξαν για να κάνει την επανάσταση έτσι ώστε η Γερμανία να σιγουρέψει την Ανατολή και να αφοσιωθεί στο δυτικό μέτωπο παρότι έτσι κι αλλιώς είχε πάει γαμιώντας τους Ρώσους στο Τάνενμπεργκ.
Posted by: Long Knives 88
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:05:33 pm »

Ρε σεις, αυτός εδώ λέει ότι ο Λούντεντορφ έφτιαξε μόνος του Κομμουνισμό, Ισλαμισμό και Ναζισμό, και δίνει και βάσιμα επιχειρήματα:

https://www.quora.com/Whos-the-most-destructive-person-whos-ever-lived-What-kind-of-things-did-they-destroy-And-why-did-they-destroy-them
Erich Ludendorff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Er...
A military genius. But also a political genius.
Unfortunly, he did not use his gifts to benefit mankind.

During WWI Ludendorff became the de facto ruler of the German empire. He was a genius with many talents, but very sadly: He had no morality.

Achivment 1: Communism
During WWI. Ludendorff put all of the German industry and economi under military command. It was a planned economy. Ludendorff called wartime socialism. Many Russians were very impressed by Germany who totaly destroyed Russia in WWI. Among them was a man called Lenin living in Switzerland. Ludendorff believed that it would be a good idea to send Lenin from Switzerland to Russia and finance his obscure group of socialist. He believed that they would take control of Russia and make a mess of it so that Russia would have to make peace with Germany. Ludendorff was right.

Lenin and his fellows revolutionaries dreamed of the revolution but had not thought of what it would be like after the communist revolution. Live after the revolution was expected to be Luke heaven. There would be no more greed, crime or oppression. Things did not work out as expected for Lenin and his fellow world improvers. What to do!

Lenin found the solution: We must run Russia the way Ludendorff run Germany during WWI! So, Russia became the Soviet Union and was runned by planned economy and a complete militarisation of the economy and all aspects of life. (Just while waiting for the communist utopia that would come. Soon. Just hold out)

Achievment 2:  Islamism
In WWI, Germany was short of allied. Ludendorff had a solution: Lets join up with the Ottoman empire!
Germany was now allied with the leading muslim country whos ruler claimed to be the legitime Khalif, the legal teplacement for the prophet Mo.

Ludendorff realised the potential political force of Islam. France and Britain had many colonial subjekts of muslim faith. They had no really good infantices to fight for a German victory in WWI. Ludendorff invented the idea of political islam: make rebellion against your colonial masters. Muslims should not be governed by non-muslims! Join the fight for Germany, and the true muslim overlord: the Khalif in Istanbul.

It took some time for muslim fundamentalism to spread. Today it is a major problem in the world, and yet the muslim fanatics do not pay suitable tribute to the evil german general who first came up with the idea.

Achivement 3: Nazism
In 1918 Ludendorff realised he had lost WWI, but he did not want to take responsibility for loosing. So, he tricked the socialdemocratic party to take over Germamy and end the war.

Than after the peace of Versaile, Ludendorff explained what had happend: Germany had won WWI. The treacherous Social Democrats had betrayed the nation! All sacrifies during the war had been in vain.

Now all Ludendorff had to do find a suitable nationalist party and once again take control of Germany! He choosed a small and obscure party: NSDAP, aka the nazi-party. Ludendorff joined the party and started to work together with a formal corpral: Adolf Hitler.

But the nazi -party was a disapointment for Ludendorff. He left the party in protest. The only person who I have heard of doing so with the motivation that the nazi-party was not extrem enough



Και δεν του έχουμε κάνει ακόμα προτομή στο Webwar;
Posted by: Long Knives 88
« on: January 07, 2016, 09:32:39 pm »

Kι ο ίδιος ο Λένιν εκφράζει το 1918 το θαυμασμό του για τη γερμανική πολεμική οικονομία του Α' Π.Π. και την ονομάζει "πρότυπο για το σοσιαλισμό"

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To make things even clearer, let us first of all take the most concrete example of state capitalism. Everybody knows what this example is. It is Germany. Here we have “the last word” in modern large-scale capitalist engineering and planned organisation, subordinated to Junker-bourgeois imperialism. Cross out the words in italics, and in place of the militarist, Junker, bourgeois, imperialist state put also a state, but of a different social type, of a different class content—a Soviet state, that is, a proletarian state, and you will have the sum total of the conditions necessary for socialism.

Our task is to study the state capitalism of the Germans, to spare no effort in copying it and not shrink from adopting dictatorial methods to hasten the copying of it. Our task is to hasten this copying even more than Peter hastened the copying of Western culture by barbarian Russia, and we must not hesitate to use barbarous methods in fighting barbarism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm
Posted by: Long Knives 88
« on: January 07, 2016, 09:16:17 pm »

Almost immediately after they seized power, Lenin's Bolsheviks inaugurated an endless stream of economic decrees and policies. These proved to be disastrous, resulting in a horrific famine, depopulation of the cities, and an enormous decline in living standards. So unpopular were these policies that after they were finally altered in mid 1921, Lenin tried to re-write their history. It was at this point that the Bolsheviks economic policies from 1918-1921 were dubbed "War Communism," and declared to have been a temporary expedient forced upon Lenin's government by wartime conditions. In fact, so-called "War Communism" began before serious fighting erupted, and continued after the Whites had been decisively defeated. It was not a wartime expedient; it was the policy that Lenin wanted to pursue in war or peace. As Pipes explains, "War Communism as a whole was not a 'temporary measure' but an ambitious and as it turned out premature attempt to introduce full-blown communism." (The Russian Revolution) As noted earlier, Lenin's ideas on desirable economic policy were vague at best. So upon taking power, he looked around the world for inspiration; what caught his eye was the "War Socialism" of the German Kaiser. As Paul Johnson notes:

So one might say that the man who really inspired Soviet economic planning was Ludendorff. His "war socialism" certainly did not shrink from barbarism. It employed slave-labourers. In January 1918 Ludendorff broke a strike of 400,000 Berlin workers by drafting tens of thousands of them to the front in "labor battalions." Many of his methods were later to be revived and intensified by the Nazis. It would be difficult to think of a more evil model for a workers' state. Yet these were precisely the features of German "war socialism" Lenin most valued. (Modern Times)

The primary features of War Communism were:

Uncontrolled inflationary printing press finance, ultimately leading to hyperinflation and nationwide reversion to barter
Near universal nationalization of manufacturing; widespread nationalization of retailing
Stringent price controls upon and forced requisitioning of agricultural products; state monopoly on grain purchases

Forced labor for civilians as well as the military


The package fit together quite logically. The tax system had broken down, so the Bolsheviks just turned on the Czar's printing pressing to fund their activities. At the same time, the prices of most goods were fixed, so as the money supply increased without limit, the legal prices became less and less realistic. Rationing cards replaced rubles as the means of acquiring goods. But if money no longer bought goods, then what was the point of working? Hence, the imposition of compulsory labor.

The Bolsheviks' forced labor policies gave new life to the concept of irony. The men who had proclaimed themselves liberators of the workers and denounced the exploitation of labor suddenly discovered the joys of serfdom. Trotsky stood at the theoretical vanguard of the literal proponents of slavery: "It is said that compulsory labor is unproductive. This means that the whole socialist economy is doomed to be scrapped, because there is no other way of attaining socialism except through the command allocation of the entire labor force by the economic center, the allocation of that force in accord with the needs of a nationwide economic plan." Initially the forced labor laws were applied to the (ex-)middle classes, but their application rapidly broadened to include not only workers and peasants but even minors. As Pipes explains:

By late 1918, it became common practice for the Bolshevik authorities to call up workers and specialists for state service exactly as they drafted recruits into the Red Army. The practice was for the government to announce that workers and technical specialists in a specified branch of the economy were "mobilized for military service" and subject to court- martial: those leaving jobs to which they had been assigned were treated as deserters... Efforts to organize industrial labor on the military model could not have worked well in view of the plethora of decrees on this subject, setting up ever new punishments for "labor deserters," ranging from publication of their names to confinement in concentration camps. (The Russian Revolution)